Non-identification (atammayatā)
Indeterminate qualities / Characteristics of existence / Non-identification 
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Alternative translations: Non-fashinioning, Not-made-of-that
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Our Roots in the Thai Forest Tradition, Session 13 – Jan. 22, 2014

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6. “Is this similar to the Buddha’s teaching to let go of the path?” Answered by Ajahn Pasanno. [Eightfold Path] [Relinquishment] // [Ajahn Chah] [Non-identification] [Right Effort] [Ajahn Mun] [Thai]

Sutta: SN 1.1 Oghataraṇa: Crossing the Flood.


Our Roots in the Thai Forest Tradition, Session 31 – Feb. 17, 2014

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11. “She talks about making a story out of denying your defilements. Does the story of having fun denying your defilements come from that space of dwelling in that state of continuous mindfulness, or does continuous mindfulness come about from going through the suffering of forcing yourself not to enjoy anything?” Answered by Ajahn Pasanno. [Upasikā Kee Nanayon] [Unwholesome Roots] [Continuity of mindfulness] [Conditionality] // [Discernment]

Quote: “Relinquishment isn’t so much a giving up something that we have but enjoying the non-moving to get or trying to make.” [Relinquishment] [Cessation of Suffering] [Non-identification]

Simile: Learning to drive or walk. — Ajahn Kaccāna. [Similes]


Western Disciples of the Thai Forest Tradition, Session 24 – Feb. 5, 2016

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[Session] Reading: “Attammayata,” The Island by Ajahn Pasanno and Ajahn Amaro, pp. 113-124. Read by Ajahn Khantiko. [Non-identification]


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1. “Can you provide guidance on the contemplation of conceiving, and name and form?” Answered by Ajahn Pasanno. [Conceit] [Aggregates] [Proliferation] // [Suffering] [Nature of mind] [Advertizing] [Impermanence] [Relinquishment] [Non-identification] [Four Noble Truths]

Sutta: Ud 3.10: “For however one conceives it, it is always other than that.”

Quote: “The mind is a liar and a cheat.” — Ajahn Chah. [Ajahn Chah] [False speech]

Reference: Ajahn Buddhadāsa’s Nine Eyes, The Island by Ajahn Pasanno and Ajahn Amaro, p. 116. [Ajahn Buddhadāsa] [Characteristics of existence]

Sutta: Ud 1.10 Bāhiya Sutta: “In the seen there is only the seen...” [Sense bases] [Perception]

Quote: “You can hurt yourself even with really good tools.” [Meditation/Techniques] [Right Effort]


Readings from The Island, Session 2 – Jan. 8, 2025

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1. Comment: I was thinking about our obsession to create things. We create our world out of the things that we create. So Nibbāna being no thing-ness seems just right. [Proliferation] [Nibbāna] [Non-identification]

Response by Ajahn Amaro. [Volitional formations] [Conventions] [Impermanence] [Philosophy] [Aggregates] [Insight meditation] [Suffering]

Quote: “The things of this world are merely conventions of our own making....” — Ajahn Chah in Convention and Liberation. [Ajahn Chah]


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2. “This state of nothingness or no-thing-ness is kind of liberating. Is that something that can be quick or something we attain and is forever?” Answered by Ajahn Amaro. [Non-identification] [Liberation] // [Insight meditation] [Long-term practice] [Arahant] [Ajahn Chah]

Reference: Nibbāna for Everyone by Ajahn Buddhadāsa.


Readings from The Island, Session 8 – Jan. 18, 2025

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1. Comment: I heard that often when Ajahn Buddhadāsa would ist receiving guests he might have a chicken under his arm. And if a mosquito landed on him, he would gently move the chicken towards the mosquito, and that way he wasn’t breaking the Vinaya. [Ajahn Buddhadāsa ] [Animal] [Killing]

Response by Ajahn Amaro: His presence was like sitting in front of a living mountain. [Personal presence]

Story: Ajahn Amaro’s visit to Suan Mokh in 1998. [Wat Suan Mokkh] [Ajahn Amaro] [Ajahn Paññānanda] [Non-identification] [Teaching Dhamma] [Ajahn Santikaro]


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2. “I understand that the Dhamma is beyond duality. But does the distinction between conditioned and unconditioned support duality?” Answered by Ajahn Amaro. [Dhamma] [Advaita Vedanta] [Unconditioned] // [Language] [Conventions] [Non-identification]

Reference: Richard Gombrich, ‘Metaphor, Allegory, Satire,’ in How Buddhism Began: The Conditioned Genesis of the Early Teachings, pp 86-87, quoted in The Island by Ajahn Pasanno and Ajahn Amaro, p. 118.

Sutta: SN 1.25: “Skilful, knowing the world’s parlance, he uses such terms as mere expressions.”

Follow-up: “The usage of symbols sometimes helps as well....” [Symbolism]

Quote: “All similes and analogies are partial.” [Knowing itself]


Readings from The Island, Session 10 – Jan. 20, 2025

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1. “Ajahn Geoff often says that non-duality is not part of the Buddha’s teachings because it refers to unity rather than complete transcendence. In your experience, do most teachings on non-duality refer to an allness or something more compatible with the Buddha’s teachings?” Answered by Ajahn Amaro. [Ajahn Ṭhānissaro] [Right View] [Unconditioned] [Advaita Vedanta] // [Equanimity] [Non-identification] [Knowing itself] [Language] [Culture/West] [Culture/India]

Sutta: MN 137.17: Equanimity based on diversity, etc.

Sutta: MN 1.25: They are attached to the All.

Quote: “One of my pet peeves is when people say, ‘I really love non-duality.’” — Eric McCord.


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3. “When Luang Por Sumedho talks about resting in awareness in which everything is included, is this connected to the subject part [of non-duality] or is this neither there nor in between (Ud 1.10)?” Answered by Ajahn Amaro. [Ajahn Sumedho] [Knowing itself] [Non-identification] [Equanimity] [Advaita Vedanta] // [Buddhist identity] [Not-self] [Language] [Ajahn Chah] [Wat Pah Nanachat] [Unestablished consciousness] [Brahma gods]

Recollection: When Ajahn Amaro first arrived at Wat Pah Nanachat, a monk recommended Zen Mind, Beginner’s Mind. [Ajahn Amaro] [Zen]


Readings from The Island, Session 20 – Feb. 7, 2025

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3. “I have never come to the bottom of this self or not self, and I come to the point where I just give up. Should I worry?” Answered by Ajahn Amaro and Ajahn Pasanno. [Self-identity view ] [Not-self] // [Present moment awareness] [Proliferation] [Insight meditation] [Knowing itself] [Relinquishment]

Reflection by Ajahn Amaro: This which knows the person is not a person. [Personality]

Follow-up: “This goes strongly against what we experience outside of Amaravati; in work life there is very strong identity. To find a balance is very challenging.” [Work]

Response by Ajahn Pasanno: “Identification is the glue that holds suffering together.” [Suffering] [Non-identification]

Quote: “When were you ever made any the less by dying?” — Jalāl al-Dīn Rūmī. Quoted by Ajahn Amaro. [Jalāl al-Dīn Rūmī] [Death] [Right View]


Readings from The Island, Session 28 – Feb. 17, 2025

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1. Comment by Sister Ñāṇasirī: In this context that you just created, suddenly Dependent Origination, equanimity, and atammatayā...everything seems to be like it’s the same thing.... [Middle Path] [Not-self] [Dependent origination] [Equanimity] [Non-identification]

Response by Ajahn Pasanno. [Doubt] [Direct experience] [Ajahn Sumedho] [Practicing in accordance with Dhamma] [Relinquishment]


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2. “How do you understand the cessation of consciousness in this passage (SN 12.48)?” Answered by Ajahn Pasanno and Ajahn Karuṇadhammo. [Consciousness ] [Cessation] // [Knowing itself] [Etymology] [Buddho mantra]

Follow-up: “How is awareness not consciousness?” Aswered by Ajahn Pasanno. [Language] [Science]

Follow-up: “How could the cessation of consciousness happen?” Aswered by Ajahn Pasanno. [Non-identification]


Readings from The Island, Session 29 – Feb. 18, 2025

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1. Teaching by Ajahn Pasanno: The satipaṭṭhāna insight formula is a pointer to atammayatā. [Right Mindfulness] [Insight meditation] [Non-identification] // [Ajahn Buddhadāsa] [Translation]

Sutta: MN 10.37: “Or else mindfulness that ‘there are mind objects’ is simply established in him to the extent necessary for bare knowledge and awareness. And he abides independent, not clinging to anything in the world.

Quote: “You don’t have to go and study every tree in the forest.” — Ajahn Chah. [Ajahn Chah] [Similes]

Reference: Mindfulness: A Practical Guide to Awakening by Joseph Goldstein (commercial).

Follow-up: “Do you think that the not-self perception is the precursor to the experience of atammayatā?” [Not-self] [Non-identification] [Relinquishment]


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2. “When the term unworldly is used, does that refer to non-identification?” Answered by Ajahn Pasanno. [Mindfulness of feeling] [Non-identification]


Readings from The Island, Session 36 – Mar. 2, 2025

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3. “How does atammayatā relate to Ajahn Chah’s simile about oil and water, the mind and the mind objects being separate?” Answered by Ajahn Amaro and Ajahn Pasanno. [Non-identification] [Ajahn Chah] [Similes ] [Nature of mind]

Quote: “Inside is Dhamma, outside is Dhamma, everything is Dhamma.” — Ajahn Chah. Quoted by Ajahn Amaro. [Dhamma]

Quote: “All symbols and similes are partially relevant. All analogies are partial.” — Ajahn Amaro. [Symbolism]


Readings from The Island, Session 37 – Mar. 3, 2025

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4. “The naming of proliferation—I’m getting to this idea that, okay now that I named it, it will stop now. I have this hope that I’ve found the key that’s gonna stop it all and then I get frustrated with myself because it’s still going on. Do I have to name it again? What do I do now?” Answered by Ajahn Amaro. [Noting] [Proliferation] // [Relinquishment] [Non-identification] [Mindfulness of body]


Readings from The Island, Session 38 – Mar. 4, 2025

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6. “The space where everything arises and ceases, where it is not arising and ceasing—it is just knowing. That is how I experience the still point…. When I turn the mind towards that, I sometimes feel like something is wrong because there is a sense of trying to keep it there. There is a sense of wanting to fixate on it…. So I wonder whether Ajahn or Luang Por have any helpful way of how we should hold turning towards it in a way that is the middle way.” Answered by Ajahn Amaro and Ajahn Pasanno. [Spaciousness] [Knowing itself] [Clinging] [Middle Path] // [Non-identification] [Similes] [Becoming]

Reference: Silence by John Cage. [Artistic expression]


Readings from The Island, Session 41 – Mar. 9, 2025

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2. “Could you clarify what you said about the mind and objects of awareness and how freedom from attachments is possible?” Answered by Ajahn Amaro and Ajahn Pasanno. [Nature of mind] [Knowing itself] [Liberation] // [Non-identification] [Insight meditation] [Ajahn Mun]

Simile: Oil and water. — Ajahn Chah. [Similes] [Ajahn Chah]

Follow-up: “I like flowers, but I need to stop buying flowers. How can this help?” Aswered by Ajahn Amaro. [Clinging] [Feeling] [Volitional formations]


Readings from The Island, Session 42 – Mar. 10, 2025

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4. “Is what you’re describing (meditation states like AN 10.6) something that somebody might arrive at in their ordinary waking...?” Answered by Ajahn Amaro. [Meditation/Results] // [Insight meditation] [Non-identification] [Perception] [Ajahn Karuṇadhammo] [Sense bases] [Abhayagiri]

Vinaya: Khandhaka 21.1.5: Ānanda’s awakening. [Great disciples] [Arahant] [Postures]

Reference: The Man Who Mistook his Wife for a Hat by Oliver Sachs.


Readings from The Island, Session 43 – Mar. 11, 2025

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2. “You said that when a negative, unpleasant thought comes up, the noble being doesn’t want it but doesn’t act upon it. Is this taṇhā? Is it a mild form of craving, not wanting the thought?” Answered by Ajahn Amaro. [Proliferation] [Arahant] [Craving] // [Knowledge and vision] [Non-identification] [Ajahn Dune] [Spaciousness]

Suttas: AN 9.7-8: What an arahant can’t do.


Kathina Q&A with the Chithurst Community, Session 1 – Oct. 11, 2025

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8. “The Buddha had a quality of fearlessness. How can we understand fearlessness?” Answered by Ajahn Pasanno. [Buddha] [Fear ] // [Non-identification] [Not-self] [Self-identity view] [Suffering]

Quote: “The core of fearlessness is not having a self, an I, a me, a mine that it’s trying to protect.” [Non-identification]