Non-identification (atammayatā)
Indeterminate qualities / Characteristics of existence / Non-identification 
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Alternative translations: Non-fashinioning, Not-made-of-that
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Our Roots in the Thai Forest Tradition, Session 31 – Feb. 17, 2014

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11. “She talks about making a story out of denying your defilements. Does the story of having fun denying your defilements come from that space of dwelling in that state of continuous mindfulness, or does continuous mindfulness come about from going through the suffering of forcing yourself not to enjoy anything?” Answered by Ajahn Pasanno. [Upasikā Kee Nanayon] [Unwholesome Roots] [Continuity of mindfulness] [Conditionality] // [Discernment]

Quote: “Relinquishment isn’t so much a giving up something that we have but enjoying the non-moving to get or trying to make.” [Relinquishment] [Cessation of Suffering] [Non-identification]

Simile: Learning to drive or walk. — Ajahn Kaccāna. [Similes]


Western Disciples of the Thai Forest Tradition, Session 24 – Feb. 5, 2016

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[Session] Reading: “Attammayata,” The Island by Ajahn Pasanno and Ajahn Amaro, pp. 113-124. Read by Ajahn Khantiko. [Non-identification]


Readings from The Island, Session 2 – Jan. 8, 2025

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1. Comment: I was thinking about our obsession to create things. We create our world out of the things that we create. So Nibbāna being no thing-ness seems just right. [Proliferation] [Nibbāna] [Non-identification]

Response by Ajahn Amaro. [Volitional formations] [Conventions] [Impermanence] [Philosophy] [Aggregates] [Insight meditation] [Suffering]

Quote: “The things of this world are merely conventions of our own making....” — Ajahn Chah in Convention and Liberation. [Ajahn Chah]


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2. “This state of nothingness or no-thing-ness is kind of liberating. Is that something that can be quick or something we attain and is forever?” Answered by Ajahn Amaro. [Non-identification] [Liberation] // [Insight meditation] [Long-term practice] [Arahant] [Ajahn Chah]

Reference: Nibbāna for Everyone by Ajahn Buddhadāsa.


Readings from The Island, Session 8 – Jan. 18, 2025

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1. Comment: I heard that often when Ajahn Buddhadāsa would ist receiving guests he might have a chicken under his arm. And if a mosquito landed on him, he would gently move the chicken towards the mosquito, and that way he wasn’t breaking the Vinaya. [Ajahn Buddhadāsa ] [Animal] [Killing]

Response by Ajahn Amaro: His presence was like sitting in front of a living mountain. [Personal presence]

Story: Ajahn Amaro’s visit to Suan Mokh in 1998. [Wat Suan Mokkh] [Ajahn Amaro] [Ajahn Paññānanda] [Non-identification] [Teaching Dhamma] [Ajahn Santikaro]


Readings from The Island, Session 10 – Jan. 20, 2025

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3. “When Luang Por Sumedho talks about resting in awareness in which everything is included, is this connected to the subject part [of non-duality] or is this neither there nor in between (Ud 1.10)?” Answered by Ajahn Amaro. [Ajahn Sumedho] [Knowing itself] [Non-identification] [Equanimity] [Advaita Vedanta] // [Buddhist identity] [Not-self] [Language] [Ajahn Chah] [Wat Pah Nanachat] [Unestablished consciousness] [Brahma gods]

Recollection: When Ajahn Amaro first arrived at Wat Pah Nanachat, a monk recommended Zen Mind, Beginner’s Mind. [Ajahn Amaro] [Zen]


Readings from The Island, Session 28 – Feb. 17, 2025

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1. Comment by Sister Ñāṇasirī: In this context that you just created, suddenly Dependent Origination, equanimity, and atammatayā...everything seems to be like it’s the same thing.... [Middle Path] [Not-self] [Dependent origination] [Equanimity] [Non-identification]

Response by Ajahn Pasanno. [Doubt] [Direct experience] [Ajahn Sumedho] [Practicing in accordance with Dhamma] [Relinquishment]


Readings from The Island, Session 29 – Feb. 18, 2025

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1. Teaching by Ajahn Pasanno: The satipaṭṭhāna insight formula is a pointer to atammayatā. [Right Mindfulness] [Insight meditation] [Non-identification] // [Ajahn Buddhadāsa] [Translation]

Sutta: MN 10.37: “Or else mindfulness that ‘there are mind objects’ is simply established in him to the extent necessary for bare knowledge and awareness. And he abides independent, not clinging to anything in the world.

Quote: “You don’t have to go and study every tree in the forest.” — Ajahn Chah. [Ajahn Chah] [Similes]

Reference: Mindfulness: A Practical Guide to Awakening by Joseph Goldstein (commercial).

Follow-up: “Do you think that the not-self perception is the precursor to the experience of atammayatā?” [Not-self] [Non-identification] [Relinquishment]


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2. “When the term unworldly is used, does that refer to non-identification?” Answered by Ajahn Pasanno. [Mindfulness of feeling] [Non-identification]


Readings from The Island, Session 36 – Mar. 2, 2025

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3. “How does atammayatā relate to Ajahn Chah’s simile about oil and water, the mind and the mind objects being separate?” Answered by Ajahn Amaro and Ajahn Pasanno. [Non-identification] [Ajahn Chah] [Similes ] [Nature of mind]

Quote: “Inside is Dhamma, outside is Dhamma, everything is Dhamma.” — Ajahn Chah. Quoted by Ajahn Amaro. [Dhamma]

Quote: “All symbols and similes are partially relevant. All analogies are partial.” — Ajahn Amaro. [Symbolism]


Kathina Q&A with the Chithurst Community, Session 1 – Oct. 11, 2025

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8. “The Buddha had a quality of fearlessness. How can we understand fearlessness?” Answered by Ajahn Pasanno. [Buddha] [Fear ] // [Non-identification] [Not-self] [Self-identity view] [Suffering]

Quote: “The core of fearlessness is not having a self, an I, a me, a mine that it’s trying to protect.” [Non-identification]