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Posted: 30 September 2007 11:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]  
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Thank you, Justin. I really appreciate knowing about Ajahn Sumedho’s statement.

Dorothea

 
 
Posted: 30 September 2007 10:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]  
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Just thought i’d put up this address to Ajahn Sumedho’s response to the situation in Burma. Forgive me if this isn’t a hyperlink, as I’m not very good at computers.

http://www.forestsangha.org/burma.htm

 
 
Posted: 28 September 2007 07:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]  
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Hi, Justin.

Ajahn Sumedho’s new book from Wisdom Publications, “The Sound of Silence,” includes the talks in “Intuitive Awareness” *plus* a number of new talks. “Intuitive Awareness” included 11 talks that were delivered during the winter retreat at Amaravati in 2001. These talks were given to monks and nuns, and they reflect a point of view that’s directed towards monastics. The new talks number 16, and they were delivered at a lay retreat held at Amaravati in the spring of 2005, so their point of view is directed towards lay people. The talks are intertwined; as Ajahn Amaro says in the preface, they “inform and complement” each other.

I highly recommend the book. What Ajahn Sumedho says can sound simple, but if you listen with a meditative attitude, it can affect you deeply.

Dorothea

 
 
Posted: 28 September 2007 07:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]  
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Hi everybody,

Portland Friends of the Dhamma, as some know, is an Oregon Buddhist center affillated and advised by the monastics of Abhayagiri. Ajahn Pasanno and Tan Tibabho visited the summer hermitage up here, where we are hosting Ajahn’s Sudanto and Karunadhammo for the Vassa. The community organized a picnic out on the land in Mosier and an Alms Round down the streets of Portland. Both were well attended and a lovely inspiration to the growing Buddhist community up here.

I’ve added some photos of the Picnic and the Alms round to our website, take a peak. I’ll be adding a personal entry into the ”This Upasika Life” blog in the next day or two as well, sharing personal reflections around these events and thought some may enjoy the view from up here.

I’ll be down at Abhayagiri this Monday through the following Sunday night, maybe see some of you then. That would be nice.

Take good care,
Sakula

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Posted: 28 September 2007 04:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]  
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Kris and others

The Forest Wisdom site is really nice, thanks for sharing that. I’ve been checking it regularly since I saw your link. He has a lot of nice topics and interesting perspectives on things. I saw that he reviewed Ajahn Sumedho’s “The Sound of Silence.” Has anyone here read it? I have the free copy of “Intuitive Awareness” and was wondering if it was similar since i heard that it was a more polished up version of that collection.

Justin

 
 
Posted: 27 September 2007 04:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]  
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EDIT- I had posted link to talk by Thanissaro Bhikkhu from the Abhayagiri site...but it’s not there anymore. Sorry for any confusion.

Kris

Justin81 - 12 September 2007 11:04 AM

If anyone is fortunate enough to visit Abayaghiri from the 13th to the 18th of September when Ajahn Thanissaro visits please let everyone know how it went. I would have loved to have been able to go, as he is one of my favorite Dhamma Teachers. In honor of him I wish to remind everyone that Dhammatalks.org and AccessToInsight has many talks of his to enjoy and take to heart. Take care.


Justin

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Posted: 12 September 2007 06:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]  
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Hi, Jaiboon.

I tried to answer your question to the best of my ability in the “Tech support, if you like” topic. That’s the place to post technical questions about how this forum works.

Cheers,
Dorothea

 
 
Posted: 12 September 2007 11:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]  
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If anyone is fortunate enough to visit Abayaghiri from the 13th to the 18th of September when Ajahn Thanissaro visits please let everyone know how it went. I would have loved to have been able to go, as he is one of my favorite Dhamma Teachers. In honor of him I wish to remind everyone that Dhammatalks.org and AccessToInsight has many talks of his to enjoy and take to heart. Take care.

Justin

 
 
Posted: 10 September 2007 07:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]  
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Regarding the Post Marker Legend at the bottom of the main page, is there a time parameter for No New Post?  What is a Hot Topic? What is a Sticky Post?

Just curious,
Jaiboon.

 
 
Posted: 05 September 2007 05:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]  
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Greetings to All!

I stumbled on to a lovely blog called Forest Wisdom.It’s by a fellow named Gary who teaches English in a primary school in Ubon, NE Thailand. I think you’ll enjoy the visit.

Kris

 
 
Posted: 20 August 2007 06:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]  
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Many thanks to Dorothea and Sakula for all your help!

Sakula, yes my heart is much more trustworthy, but the mind is so used to pouncing on the minutia to busy itself. You’d think after all these years I’d be better able to spot the signs. Thanks again for the reminder.

This is the temple I spoke of. Wat Mongkolratanaram in Fort Walton Beach, FL. As you see it’s all in Thai. Of course I don’t know the language but as they say, you’re never to old to learn! LOL! Fortunately most of the laypeople speak very good English, and most of the monks too.

Kris

 
 
Posted: 19 August 2007 09:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]  
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Hi Kris,

KrisR - 18 August 2007 08:30 AM

Greetings to all,

Can anyone tell me what, if any, notable differences there are between the Thai Forest Tradition of Ajahn Chah and the Maha Nikaya?
There is a Thai temple roughly 60 or so miles from me that I’d like to start visiting with some regularity. I was there once a couple of years ago and it was quite a wonderful experience, though at the time I really had no idea of what exactly was going on.

Many thanks for any information,

Kris

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Dorothea - 18 August 2007 07:41 PM

Note that, though Ajahn Mun was a Dhammayut monk, he had a great influence on Ajahn Chah.

Dorothea

Dorothea thanks so much for this very useful post! I don’t know if we can bookmark a post for easy reference but this one surely is a contender if so!
A quick note: Many times I’ve heard Ajahn Mun referred to as the ‘Grandfather’ of this (Ajahn Chah’s) linage. Though Ajahn Mun was of the Dhammayut lineage and Ajahn Chah the Mahanikay lineage, Ajahn Mun (as I understand it any way) is Ajahn Chah’s Spiritual Father; the one whose teachings and presence transmitted within Ajahn Chah’s heart and mind. Though their meeting was relatively brief and Ajahn Chah remained within the Mahanikay sect, he considered Ajahn Mun his spiritual Father and therefore his lineage (again keeping in mind this is how I understand it) is considered a descendent of Ajahn Mun and the Thai Forest tradition.

Kris, great question. I’d like to encourage you (as I too have often been encouraged) to pay attention to your heart whenever coming into contact with any monastics and give less credence to your head. Sure we use our heads to get us to the temples we visit, but once there we can find it useful to bring awareness down to the heart base and notice what feelings are arising from there. Whenever I feel a heart-felt sense of peace in the presence of whatever person(s), here I’ll put effort toward repeated contact with. These are the ones I find worthy of support and worthy of encouraging others to come into contact with. Though Ajahn Geoff, Ajahn’s Pasanno/Amaro and Bhante Gunaratana are of different lineages, I find all worthy of effort to draw near. As well do I find Bhikkhu Bodhi and several Thai Forest Master now residing in Thailand.

There’s a lovely and fitting interview of Bhikkhu Bodhi; himself an American born Abbot who spent many years as head of a Sri Lankan monastery and now resides in New York with an old Chinese Master. You can find the entire interview by following this link:

“So you will live as a Theravada monk in a Chinese Mahayana monastery?”
“In ancient India it was not rare for monks of different Buddhist schools to dwell peacefully in the same monastery. I have found Master Jen Chun to be one of the most admirable monks I have ever known: vastly learned, with profound understanding of Buddhism, yet utterly simple, humble, and selfless; strict in discipline yet always bubbling with laughter and loving-kindness. He is, moreover, an authority on the Agamas, a body of literature in the Chinese Tripitaka that corresponds to the Pali Nikayas. Thus I find his approach quite congruent with my own. He has asked me to give teachings at the monastery on the Pali suttas and the Pali language, and the resident monks and many lay followers are keen to attend both courses. We hope to make the monastery a place where well-disciplined monks of any authentic Vinaya tradition can reside and live together harmoniously. The place, incidentally, is named Bodhi Monastery, but it is sheer coincidence that I wound up at a monastery that bears my name.”

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Posted: 18 August 2007 07:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]  
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Hello, Kris.

As Jaiboon pointed out, the temple that you visited probably describes itself as “Maha Nikaya” because it belongs to the Mahanikay sect. As far as I know, all the monks in the Thai tradition are divided into two sects: Mahanikay and Dhammayut (spelling in English varies). Below are a couple links that briefly explain the technical and historical difference between these two sects. In practice, however, the difference is not so clear.

Wikipedia Article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maha_Nikaya

Wheel publication on Buddhism in Thailand
(see section called “Two Sects or Nikayas")
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/kusalasaya/wheel085.html

Within the sects, the monks are generally organized into what one can call lineages. For example, the monks who all consider Ajahn Chah their teacher, or their teacher’s teacher, are all considered to be in Ajahn Chah’s lineage. Ajahn Chah’s lineage is in the Mahanikay sect.

As I said, in practice the difference between the sects are not always clear. Some lineages might be closer in the way they practice to lineages that are in the other sect than they are to lineages in their own sect. Furthermore, monks from the different sects visit back and forth among each other’s monasteries learning from each other and sharing practice traditions. Therefore, the whole issue is mostly of importance in Thailand, among those who are closely involved with the politics of the monastic hierarchy. And many monks, both in Thailand and in the West, are not greatly interested in the politics or the hierarchy. For example, in the Thai monastery close to my house, they really try to play down the difference between the two sects. They hand out tapes and books from Ajahn Chah’s lineage even though they are a Dhammayut monastery.

Many might say that a more important distinction is the one between the forest monks and the city monks. On the whole, the forest monks emphasize meditation and are more strict about renunciation and simplicity. You’ll find forest monks in both Mahanikay and Dhammayut lineages. For example, Ajahn Pasanno and Ajahn Amaro are in a Mahanikay lineage, while the lineage of Ajahn Geoff (Thanissaro Bhikkhu) is Dhammayut. Yet they are both in the Thai forest tradition, so they are probably closer to each other in most ways than they are to monks in the city temples belonging to their own sects. In general, all Dhammayut monks and the forest monks in the Mahanikay lineages wear robes that are darker in color than the bright orange robes worn by Mahanikay city monks. But even that isn’t a sure-fire indication. If I recall correctly, the Ajahn Buddhadasa wore a bright orange robe even though his practice and teaching style was more like that of a forest monk.

There’s information about all this, and much more about the Thai forest tradition, in a book called “Forest Recollection” by Kamala Tiyavanich (ISBN 0-8248-1781-8)

Also, here’s a link to an essay by Ajahn Geoff that explains quite a bit about the Dhammayut sect (he calls it a movement) and the forest tradition (Kammatthana tradition) founded by Ajahn Mun. In the essay, Ajahn Geoff relates the Mahanikay sect to “Customary Buddhism” and the Dhammayut sect to “Reform Buddhism.” I believe that these terms are useful, but I don’t think they’re widely recognized.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/customs.html

Note that, though Ajahn Mun was a Dhammayut monk, he had a great influence on Ajahn Chah.

So . . . it’s complicated. I hope I’ve spoken correctly. If anyone sees something incorrect in what I said, please let us all know.

Dorothea

 
 
Posted: 18 August 2007 09:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]  
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KrisR
I have only recently become aware of the different sects within Therevada Tradition. (I have seen bot Maha Nikaya and Dhamayutti Nikaya referred to as sects, so please parden my nomenclature if I’ve stepped on any sensitivities). 

Apparently Ajahn Cha is of the Maha Nikaya sect, so I guess it is safe to assume there is no difference. Abhayagiri is also listed Maha Nikaya under that heading in http://www.dharmanet.org listing of Thai Temples in North America, and Abhayagiri is listed as a branch monestary on the Wat Pa Na Na Chat web site.

I would like to know the difference between Maha Nikaya and Dhammayutti Nikaya. I can find the words, but no description of the difference on any of my search sites.

Good Luck
Jaiboon.

 
 
Posted: 18 August 2007 08:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]  
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Greetings to all,

Can anyone tell me what, if any, notable differences there are between the Thai Forest Tradition of Ajahn Chah and the Maha Nikaya?
There is a Thai temple roughly 60 or so miles from me that I’d like to start visiting with some regularity. I was there once a couple of years ago and it was quite a wonderful experience, though at the time I really had no idea of what exactly was going on.

Many thanks for any information,

Kris

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